I actually went through the trouble of going to fb and clicking "Remove Post and Unlike". Anyone know the story behind IE6's huge presence in Asia especially China? Why haven't they upgraded? Is it because Windows XP is still very popular? If so, why? Also, is there a popular "native-land" browser, the way Xunlei is the most popular BitTorrent client in the world?
Piracy might be one of the reasons. But there is another possible reason - underpowered machines. Unlike the western world, owning a computer is still a luxury here India. Most people are stuck with old machines where firefox and chrome are terribly slow. I was expecting India to have a much higher share.
IE in general and IE6 in particular are losing market share drastically. This is a welcome trend. I remember IE6 with QQ toolbar being literally unusable for me before I gave my then colleague's laptop a lease of life by upgrading her browser to IE7 sans toolbar for the ActiveX-dependent extensions and Firefox 3 for everything else.
What is the Indian opinion of Opera? I wonder if there is a uniform "indian opinion" on Opera. While you're at it, I need the phone number for Europe. This makes no sense. Both Firefox and Chrome are faster than IE6 on identical hardware. OstiaAntica on March 4, parent prev next [—]. I'm guessing that there are two factors: 1. I'm also guessing Maxthon[1] has a large browser share in China and you'll notice that MSIE6 is in its userstring[2], which could possibly be diluting the results for pure IE6 instead of those with the same engine Trident[3].
In Korea specifically, there's a huge ActiveX site base still, especially for government and banking sites. Elepsis on March 5, root parent prev next [—]. This would certainly explain the market share of IE in general, but IE 7, 8 and 9 each support ActiveX as well, so I can't imagine that alone is a factor. Pirated doesn't mean can't be upgraded. Pirated means you can upgrade whatever you want without WGA. I think the answer will be found in Maxthon - a very popular IE shell in China.
No, the problem is Internet cafe and pubs. They contribute the largest proportion of Chinese Internet users. Basically it's a either software or hardware controls INT 13H, so all data write to HDD is dropped once system is reboot, and the system is as clean as a fresh system install.
So everyone gets a latest version while the OS partition remains static for years. Perhaps it's because virus and malware are so rampant in China. And for Maxthon, it use the system default WebBrowser control, so it's version agnostic, it can be either IE5, 5. IsaacL on March 4, root parent prev next [—]. That's certainly one factor. I remember how annoyed I was when developing a hostel website for a friend that I'd have to support IE6, due to the wide install base. Then my friend tried using it in this weird new browser which she said was popular - I was happy that Chinese people were being persuaded to switch from IE.
Then I discovered that Maxthon used the Trident layout engine and had inherited all the IE layout problems. Still, I don't think Maxthon explains everything - I have seen a lot of cyber cafes with only IE6 installed. It's because of very heavy usage of ActiveX in some Asian countries. They just think IE is the only way to surf internet. You are kidding me right? Most of the Cyber Cafes use very powerful machine to support games like Crysis.
That's why Cyber Cafes exists and popular. But there are also cheap Cyber Cafes, which their system really sucks. People can not afford a computer go there, and they don't really care what a browser is. This might just be me, but when I scan over a map, my automatic action is to hover my mouse over the countries I'm looking at I do the same with my finger when I look at a physical map.
If I do that here though, the map disappears. I can't stop myself from doing it. It's driving me nuts. Sorry, that's what I meant by disappear. Would have preferred it if they found another way of presenting that list to me. Same this happened to me. Took so much time to load that I thought there was something wrong. Now, it shows up instantaneously when I mouse over in the main site. MS design, awesome ignorance of UIs since IE6's share was 21 percent in February of , according to those numbers.
That means IE6 share has gone down 43 percent in the past year. I'm guessing the author doesn't know the difference between percentages and percentage points. And then for the irony: Internet Explorer 9 is only available for Windows 7 and Vista.
However, we still recommend you download the latest version of Internet Explorer for XP. Looks like we'll get to go through this all again in a few years. IE8 is going to be the IE6 of today, but way way way worse and for much longer. Talk about legacy code. While IE6 has been a pain for 5 years, IE8 will be a pain for Really our only solution there is to get them onto a new browser or convince them that this unsuspecting "Chrome Frame" plugin is the right thing to do.
We have to, really. Why will a huge portion of people not upgrade from XP? It's been at long time since you could buy a computer with it preinstalled unless you specifically ask for it.
Hardware attrition, upgrade cycles, and hopefully the end of the global recession should clear out those machines. Any computer that came with XP preinstalled that is still around 15 years later is going to be so slow that an outdated browser is going to be the least of its worries. TillE on March 4, root parent next [—]. Many of our customers non-tech companies in Europe are still largely on Windows We're still supporting a handful of systems running NT4.
People don't buy new computers unless they really need to. XP is going to be around for a long, long time. Not so long as you think… Microsoft licensed XP for free on netbooks to compete with Linux netbooks cost maybe twice as much as a Windows license.
Summer of , I walked into a Verizon store and they were selling netbooks that, swear to God, had IE6 as the default browser. In ! T-hawk on March 4, root parent next [—]. You have to actively download and install IE 7 or 8. Not too surprising if the netbook vendors trying to compete on rock-bottom price didn't want to pay an installation monkey to do that.
If you don't know what a browser version is, you're not a lost sale. If you do, you know you can easily upgrade it and you're still not a lost sale. Is that a fact? Maybe it was slip-streamed. With the recent stagnation in CPU speeds, upgrade cycles may slow way down.
ZoFreX on March 4, root parent prev next [—]. A question you have to ask is, "Are people that are still running Windows XP a market for my product? If you're making shiny. NET stuff for consumers, yeah, you might not want to bother. Paul, granted that it's sort of a part of your job to shill for Chrome, and granted that Chrome is a better browser than IE in its current state, but why all the hate for IE8 specifically? End of story, so far as that goes. OK, I'm exaggerating a bit, but not much.
And the "only" solution is hardly getting them onto a new browser. Moving them to say, Firefox, is only one solution. Another solution would be for MS to produce a standards-compliant browser. IE8 and IE9 are both major steps in this direction. And of course, Chrome borrowed all sorts of tricks from IE Anyway, there are at least 3 or 4 good solutions for that crowd, only one of which involves Chrome.
By the way, I use Chrome and Firefox exclusively. I dislike the piling-on against IE for piling on's sake. For what it's worth.
The Chrome Frame page is kinda sorta developer-centric. There needs to be one well-linked-to page that is only, and convincingly, targeted to everyday bumpkins using IE. Not sure I follow. Will do. That's the most annoying thing about the page. If Microsoft really cared about getting people off of IE and onto something modern, they'd also offer alternatives for browsers which ran on XP beyond IE8.
But other browser makers are making their code work on XP, and they should be promoted as valid choices. This just feels like a way to browbeat people into upgrading to Windows 7 rather than solving the real problem. It's a shame their banner looks like the sort of thing you click and have malware installed. A good number of people in the tech world hate MS, at least partially, and IE6 has been one of the influential reasons for this hatred. Till date, a lot of people avoid IE like the plague and even the modern IE browsers have suffered because of the tarnished brand image.
People need to understand that IE6 is a decade old browser and heck it was a good browser for its time. People not moving away from the browser has been a bigger cause of pain than MS itself.
This is a good initiative by Microsoft. I'm guessing there's a high correlation between people running non-legit copies of Windows and IE 6 users. Why do you think so? Updates to IE usually come through Windows Update. Last time I checked, "Genuine advantage" validation was not required for installing newer IE, as well as critical updates. It was, for a time, but then Microsoft let installing never versions of IE regardless of Genuine advantage.
The linked article doesn't provide any evidence for correlation of pirated Windows and outdated Windows or IE. True, but pirated Windows does not allows you to update automatically, and does not updates IE for you. Now, one can always download newer IE from Microsoft's website and manually install it, but chances of that happening are low.
It does, last time I checked. It does not allow you to run Windows Update manually, though. The high correlation is caused by default installs that are used in internet cafes.
And, in China, most probably non-legit. While it's a very good thing MS is endorsing this, they are very incongruent. They continuosly state that they love the web, that IE9 will deliver a more beautiful web and all that stuff. Rather than entering an era where Microsoft evolves IE on a slightly faster annual refresh cycle, we may be headed in to the next long, multi-year refresh cycle for the IE engine. We may be headed in to similar stagnating conditions that made IE6 so painful. Time will soon tell.
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